Glass Chatroom Board

I would highly recommend joining the WVMAG and get the AAG magazine. I do quite a bit of writing for them and visit the museum every year when attending the Akro Agate convention in Clarksburg. Weston is only about 20 miles away from there. If anyone gets the chance to visit, its well worth it!

Wow, just reading what you are saying carl, I know there is not too much you can do to force the seller to sell it to you but I would do everything I could do to bitterly complain to ebay which may hurt the sellers status with ebay.

Well anyway, that's just my opinion. Ive picked up some real bargains on BINs but never encountered that.

Thanks Carl,
I don't recall seeing the Rustic vases before and they are quite striking when you see them in my opinion. They also look great sitting with carnival glass on the shelf. I only paid 15.00 for the pair so I thought that was a good bargain!

Scott

Well, time to head out. Hope someone can give some input on my vases!

Nice to hear from you Irene, will check out you shop!

Wow, don't remember that

Elvis?

Its been a few years since ive been on here, so Im a little rusty with all the changes.

I don't do facebook but I know what you mean about Ebay They have done everything they can do to block everything you used to be able to do. I started on Ebay in 1999 and it was nice back then.

Thanks, that works!

Hi, Its been a while since Ive been on here. I have an interesting pair of Fenton Rustic vases that someone may be able to give me your thoughts on. They are non-iridized red. Ive never seen them before. Ive seen funeral size Rustics in this color.

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Hi Shelly,
The tops are fairly close. Its hard to find 2 exactly the same. Shaker collectors often have a big box of old tops to use when you get shakers with a bad top or no top.
The tops that originally came with them were two different tops entirely.

Scott

Thanks Carl, I waited many years to have a chance to even but one of these shakers in this color. I have 3 marigold that don't show up too often but these are really special!

Scott

Hi Carl,

Its been a while but want to show you a pair of shakers I recently won at a Seeck auction. Had to give my eye teeth for them but really wanted them. Jim Seeck told me that they were the shakers that were sold at the Britt auction back in 1994. I had the old flyer and sure enough they were. I was able to tell by the mismatched lids. They were the same but I changed them to matching lids since.
Thought you would enjoy seeing them since we spoke about amethyst octagon shakers a while back.

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Scott

I’m the shaker guy and have been aware of this auction coming up for some time. The shaker convention will be held near by and in conjunction with the auction. I will bid online due to the fact I’m not attending the auction due to issues I have with the club.
Used to contribute quite a bit to the club in the way of articles and pictures of shakers but decided to walk away but still belong to the club for the newsletter info.
I like to contribute articles to the WVMAG and just came back from the Akro Agate convention in Clarksburg WV and I ran down to Weston to visit the museum for the second year in a row, it’s worth the trip!
The collection being auctioned is one of the best and as to what I can see it looks like not everything made it to the auction for reasons unknown. Maybe sold elsewhere or picked by chosen people, who knows.
Hope to get a couple of good things but I’m sure it will be tough.

Scott

@carma You may find this interesting but not all of it is the railroad. http://www.landingnewjersey.com/portmorris.htm

Our house was built in he late 1800s by a railroad engineer.
The big thig here was the roundhouse which is long gone now.

Scott

@carma Carl, just noticed the railroad layout that you posted. Are you just interested in model railroading or railroad history in general.
I live in a small town that has a long railroad history. I know a lot of railroad history buffs are familiar with our little town. Most is gone now but none the less a lot of history. The town is Port Morris, NJ and the railroad back in the day was the DL&W.

Just thought I would stick my 2 cents in on that.

Scott

@carma Its a pretty nice on too! The woman had about 200 pieces, just about all marigold and that was the best. I know most collectors who have over 100 pieces usually will have at least one good piece by default
When the sale opened, both of us kind of walked quickly trying not to run to beat the other in first
I got the bowl for 10.00, we kind of talked for a while after we left the sale. Tom Burns was auctioning off some of his stuff that next week in Maryland and we were talking about that.
Favorite

@carma
Its funny, thereis a small antiques/junk mall by us and the dealers do not know much so I get luck once in a while.
There was a carnival glass collector a few doors down from me and there was an estate sale. I had no idea what was in there and was hopeing for a big score but the best piece was a marigold Poinsettia & Lattice bowl. Some guy drove all the way from Long Island NY for it but that was the best piece and I happen to see it first. The guy that drove out was a collector by the name of Greg Dilian, do you know him?

My problem is that I keep it all 🙂
Also bought several pieces of Akro Agate and Westite yesterday!

@carma
I was just reading your post and for me Ive been doing OK the past few months here in NW NJ. Just a few items to mention that are of interest. I bought a blue Lions bowl IC shape, a red Holly compote ruffled, marigold Poinsettia bowl, all 3 combined under 100.00 and from different places not from the same person.
I also bought a couple of victorian art glass shakers all nice, for maybe 25.00. A vaseline etched castor set with holder, nice!
Just some examples, Im just waiting for the luck to run out.

@songbreeze thanks, I have the same book but as you say, no measurements. I just picked up a small one in a cranberry satin. Its 4 1/4 inches tall and in really great shape! Only 2 small hobbs on the bottom with chips. For this size and the hobbs being so small and pointy thats pretty good!Its a really nice piece, especiall for 20.00!

Scott

Hi everyone, its been a little while.
Does anyone happen to have the measurements (height wise) of all the different size water jugs in the Hobbs Dew Drop pattern? There are sizes from size 0 to size 5 I believe.

Thanks,
Scott

I would not doubt it. I just cant put my finger on it. Ive seen them around for years though.

Scott

I have seen those castor sets before in a number of colors, usually bright, cased colors. Im rally not sure who made them. I dont believe they are very old though. Maybe European in origin?
I think that I have seen an ad at one time for them in some publication but not sure hwere. I will take a look and see if I can dig it up tonight.

Scott

If you are ever in this part of the country let me know I can show you lots of shakers and another mega-collector lives just up the road from me.

@songbreeze Well, there is nothing wrong with learning. Collecting can get in the way of being a dealer for sure. You would want to keep everything. 🙂
I collect shakers, mustard jars, toothpicks, all silverplate related items. I also collect carnival glass, sugar shakers, oil lamps, pickle castors, Akro Agate, and whatever else catches my eye. 🙂
Sell?........very little 🙂

@songbreeze Its good to belong to if you are interested in shakers. The newsletter is pretty good, I write many articles for it. I dont attend many conventions though.
Do you collect any specific shakers or a wide spectrum

@songbreeze Do you belong to the shaker club?

Scott

Here is the egg

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Its completely blue glass all the way through!

I was able to pick up a number of great shakers in upstate NY this summer and some are quite rare. I picked up a Mt Washington egg in a overfired burmese that turned the egg completely blue!

Scott

Shelly, I will have to take a look. The reverse swirl pattern gets its name from the opal swirl going one direction and the moulded swirls going the other. Its hard to see the moulded swirl because its the mould of the glass and of course the same color as the glass.
The opal swirls on the one shaker goes the same direction as the moulded swirls if that makes sense.

I know what you mean about the lids but its interesting, I dont know if the lids are original but all the reverse swirls tall shakers that Ive seen have those kinds of lids. I have a number of them in different colors an they all have the same lid.

Scott

Hi Shelly, they are the exacty same it may be the photo.

Scott

Most interesting piece. Ive never seen one like that before and wonder if it was a piece that thay made and decided to change the design.

Scott

Its been a little while since Ive been on here but thought it would be interesting to some to show these 2 shakers. No, its not a forward and backward image of the same piece. The one on the right is a typical Reverse Swirl Tall shaker. The one on the left is th shaker in the reverse swirl mould but the opal swirls are going in the opisite direction they are supposed to be going! They are in the same direction as the moulded swirls in the glass.

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Scott

Amber, it was a pretty cool find. The only nice shakers I saw the whole trip.

Actually they will end up in the club newsletter im sure.

@songbreeze No, Im not. I sent the picture to my friend who is in charge of the shaker club website and I think she took the picture to the shaker convention this weekend. She never saw them before.
Actually her quote was "I dont know how you find some of these things".
I have some luck but its a result of extensive looking.

I have not seen them before. Ive been collecting shakers since 1994 and have well over 1000 and this is the first time Ive seen these. I found them in WV last week.
The glass is smooth and all the white is high relief paint. Very heavy glass, cant see through it.

Here are the shakers I picked up in WV

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Amber, I check in every day but usually dont post. Im kind of a focused person on what i collect and not too much into just chitchat. Dont get me wrong, its not that I dont like talking but you know what I mean.

Amber, Ive actually been to greenfield many years ago but not recently.
No, I live in NJ. Northwest NJ off I80 30 miles east of the Pa line.

It funny though, on my travels through from NJ to WV we stopped at many antique malls and very little in the way of shakers out there nowadays. I found one unusual pair that i picked up.

@fyrqueen Im not familiar with New bedford but plan on getting there someday. It just did not work out this time around.

@newtonenterprises I know what you mean. Yes, I saw enough signs for museums going through there. But I really wanted to stop at that one to check it out.

Thanks 🙂

@newtonenterprises I know there are collectors out there that choose not to belong to clubs. This weekend as a matter of fact is the shaker convention in New Bedford Ma. Ive choosen not to go this years because we went to the Akro Agate convention this past week in WV. I really wanted to get to the Museum of American Glass in Weston so it all worked out.

Amber, I do what I can do. It keeps me out of trouble when Im not at work. 🙂

@newtonenterprises The name does not ring a bell, does he belong to the shaker club do you know?

Amber, well Ive got a lot of milage out of that article over the past couple of years. Ive had it in several antique publications in the US and Canada including the Antique Trader which also did a club profile. I do what i can do to promote shaker collecting and the club. The Antique Trader told me that they are going to include it in their 2013 price guide coming out in Oct.
We will see, I dont count anything in until I see it.

Thanks Irene and Amber. I often look in but dont really say anything. Yes, I still collect shakers and even have another article in the Museum of American glass magazine. If you get it check it out. I was at the museum when it came in there and Tom Felt was nice enough to give me a few copies. S&P and sugar shakers are my main collecting interest.
Scott

Its so sad to see such great historical glass from a century and more ago die. It does not make a lot of sense to me. I know we discussed this before a while back. Its so sad to see a generation of people who grew up shuttered in their houses playing video games are simply not interested in antiques that define who we are as a nation.
As I often said before, newer generations now are only interested in things that have keyboards or things that can be controlled by their phones.

I was at the Akro Agate convention this past week and like all clubs they are aging. A 2000 piece auction and most of it went cheap. However I did visit the Museum of American Glass in Weston WV and there were quite a few people walking around in there with apparent interest. Maybe a big part of the problem is people still being so uncertain of the economy? I really don’t know and maybe time will tell.

I am an ebay buyer and I do not and will not subscribe to having to pay for something that is not directly in control of me. It’s just another step of taking control of people’s liberties under the guise of it makes thing easy. It’s bad enough that buyers are forced to use a vehicle like PayPal resulting in the tracking of all purchases on ebay!
If sellers are getting burned by buyers then maybe buyers should be rated by, sort of like a credit score based on their feedback. I’m sure ebay can come up with a formula based on positive feedback that would rate buyers. Buyers above a certain score can be trusted to conduct their business as a buyer as usual. Ones that fall below a certain score must pay immediately.
I’m sure most think by this statement that I’m the village nut, I’m used to that, but just think about what has happened over the years to our anonymity and control or lack their of in our lives through technology. And everyone says, “well, what are you going to do”.

Its such a shame about older Victorian glass. In my opinion there is nothing better than Victorian era glass. I really cant show a comparison here in NJ, because there is not much good glass to be had in NJ. At least thats my opinion.
I just cant believe what junk people pay good money for nowadays. But I guess Im out of favor just like the old glass.

Scott

@carma Thanks Carl, maybe I will pick it up. I saw it a few days ago running through a local antique mall in a rush and it really did not click to just buy it. So I will have to go back and get it I suppose 🙂
Thanks again

@carma Carl, I have a quick question. The custard pattern, Trailing Vine, I know there are opaque blue examples. I recently saw a spooner in the blue color. Is that a rare color for that pattern and that particular shape?
Thanks

Im trying to be funny. I often play the dumb guy to see others opinions on glass. To promote a conversation.
Hi Shelly.

It keeps people guessing.

There ya go!

I know that Im just trying to be funny. Ive been doing this stuff for quite a number of years. I just play the dumb guy sometimes. It endears me with so many 🙂

Interesting conversation concerning Carnival, Custard, etc. I wonder when interest falls low enough, that better stuff comes to the market for a song. Maybe its still sold privately, Im not sure, never been important enough to be in that inner circle so to speak. 🙂

Seriously, I have alot of shakers but its the first one Ive seen in a shaker.

Scott

Bill, It appears that pieces are out there. I guess I went by that Ive not seen it before myself. (I have a sheltered life i guess 🙂 ) Thanks for your help!

Scott

Bill, no I have not I will have to email Carole and ask her about it. I just went straight to the books and they only mention satin that I saw.
Thanks!

It is not mentioned in a shiney finish in any of the books I have, is what i mean.

Parian Swirl is typically found in cranberry with a satin finish. Ive never seen a cranberry example in a shiney or unsatinized finish. Its not mentioned in a shiney finish only books that I have either.

Scott

Does anyone here know Northwood's Parian swirl? The question is that I just bought a sugar shaker in shiney finish (Not satinized) cranberry. I dont recall seeing cranberry in a shiney finish, Northwood the Early Years does not mention Parian Swirl in this particular finish in just a plain cranberry or blue.

Scott

I certainly agree George. I believe that at least the shakers were done at some point in history to deceive but certainly no proof of that.

Scott

@george Im aware of slags colors and variations. Im very involved in the shaker club and I actually have quite a bit of slag and non-production colors. There has been a long standing conversation of some process that will turn milk glass a lavender color. Many say they never heard of it and say it cant be done and others say it can.
I just figured that I would throw in into the discussion of sun purpled glass that was going on with some the last few days and see what some opinions are here.

Scott

Along the line of sun purpled glass. I have a question concerning turning milk glass a lavender color. Ive been told this can be done and there are several examples, as far as shakers go, that were produced in milk glass turning up in a lavender color.

Scott

@carma Hi Carl, sorry for the delay been busy here at work. I understand, some of this stuff is hard to identify for sure. These crazy carnival shakers are a challenge for sure!
Thanks again,
Scott

@carma Hi Carl, so what are your thoughts on the carnival shaker that I posted yesterday? It took me a long time to find one of those!

Scott

I was fortunate enough to buy this shaker the other day from a fellow shaker collector. He has been collecing for over 40 years and has an unbelievable colletion. Ive been looking for this OLD`carnival glass shakers for years. Im only aware of a handful of them. One with a mustard top on it.
I pictured one in an article I did for All About Glass recently but that one was not mine.
I would love some input as to who was the maker. I was told US glass but I dont know for sure.
Maybe you know Carl and would love your opinion!

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The picture is kind of dark, I was trying to capture the iridescence.

Scott

No problem, The one picture may have been chipped beause there may have been some excess glass that broke off along the rough seam. Of course, the Marie served for what i said earlier but it was also a collar base for which the piece sits.

Scott

A "Marie" os the bottom ring if you will on a piece of glass. It was used as a place to attach a "Snap" a device to hold the piece to handle it and work it. The term is commonly used in the carnival glass collecting world.

Scott

Oh yeah, at least 1000 shakers and toothpick holder, mustard jars and whatever else. Most are in cabinets and they kinda disappear in the cabinets. So you can fit many in a small area.
Scott

Amber, hey when I started out collecting shakers I thought I would stay small. Now I have over 1000, Im surrounded! 🙂
If you have not already checked it out here is the link. There is a short thing on sugar shakers if you go to "Ways to Collect" and then at the bottom of the page click on sugar shakers.

http://www.antiquesaltshakers.com/

Scott

Amber, well the seller may not know what they have. They just know they have a larger shakers so they call it a sugar shaker. They still are highly collectible. As far as my fault? I have to say Im guilty 🙂

Scott

Amber, well I look at it as undocumented colors are a color that may have been produced that has yet to be recognized and unusual colors as something that may have been unintended.

Scott

Its always fun to find unusual pieces! 🙂

Amber, I believe that those type of shakers were used for powder or talc. (Its the type of top used) Dont get me wrong, its a great piece but I just wanted to let you know.
Scott

@amber1986 Hi, Amber, do you know what pattern it is?

Scott

@carma I totally agree Carl. Its pretty cool when you are lucky enough to be the guy that finds these items too! I was always interested in undocumented colors anor odd colors. I try to buy stuff like that whenever i can, especially in shakers.

Scott

Hi Amber, understood, I hope you do though. Keep me posted!

Scott

@carma Is it possible that some lines or colors were test marketed and just did not work? Maybe special order pieces? Who knows, I once owned a Findlay Onyx straight sided tumbler. I know they exist but very few. Probably because they were thin and very prone to breakage. Things exist but one can only speculate.

@carma Hi Carl, I would think that crystal would be rather rare. Its interesting, I have seen a few patterns that are not known for that color show up. I have a crystal acorn salt shaker too and its the only one that i have seen.
Harry Northwood the Early Years mentions crystal but it must have been a flop so not much may have been made.

Its one thing that I find pretty cool about collecting, those unusual pieces.
Scott

Has anyone ever seen Northwoods Leaf Umbrella in clear crystal glass? Its mentioned in "Harry Northwood the Early Years" but no pictures. In my experience, I have not seen any until I got a salt shaker in clear crystal.
Anybody else seen crystal examples?
Scott

Have a good one and talk to you soon.

Scott

OK, great, if you join this years convention is in New Bedford Mass so it would not be too bad for you if you went. Lots of stuff to buy and to learn about also!

Amber, yes, its pretty cool stuff and its easy to expand a bit and collect stuff like toothpicks and mustard jars too. Shakers are small and you can collect a lot without taking up too much room. Look on the site and there is a page for membership if you like.
What state are you located in?

Amber, yes I did not know how interested in the club you were

Great! Any thoughts on joining the club??

Scott

And of course the website!

http://www.antiquesaltshakers.com/

The shaker club puts out a quarterly newsletter. Is covers salt and now added sugar shakers.

Scott

I question if its Burmese. It looks like more of a Peachblow coloring but not sure if it really is.

Scott

Thanks Amber, well anyway I believe that the shaker club website is one of the best out there. We are always trying to add and update it. Put more and more interesting stuff on it.

Scott

Some may be interested in a new section that is being added to our Shaker Club website. Our club now includes sugar shakers! Please check out the link below, CLICK on "Ways to Collect" and go to "Selected Sugar Shakers", to see this section. This first time set up of this section includes many (25) shakers from my collection!

http://www.antiquesaltshakers.com/

Scott

Well, I believe I have a good shaker. Im not a researcher, just a collector but its a great piece in person!

Scott

Oh, I forgot the plaster holding the threaded collar appears to be old.

Scott

A quick update concerning the Mt Washington Colonial Ware sugar shaker. When I posted the pictures the other day I had not yet received the shaker. I was concerned about a couple of things that I could not confirm either way until I received it.

When it was pointed out to me as to where to find other items in this type of class I saw the sugar and creamer. It hit me that the creamer looked like the same piece as the sugar shakers but a different top. That concerned me as to if it started out in life as a sugar shaker or creamer. Due to the fact Ive never seen one of these before but that does not mean Im the final word on it for sure.

The next point was that Mt Washington does not typically use tops like the one on the shaker. Typically they are very fancy tops and they are 2 piece!
So the question came to mind, was the neck of the piece threaded? Or was the lid just forced on to the piece.

I received the shaker today and I found that the somewhat ordinary sugar shaker top is a 2 piece top and it appears to be either silver or silverplate.

So I feel the piece is right but I sure was wondering there for a few days!